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Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:33:00 - [1] It looks as though they could make a pretty credible claim to Scalding Pass, being the only sov claiming alliance there. Are they re-establishing themselves as a region holding power in their own right, or are they considered to be subservient to Red, as Fix or Xeles are to BoB?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:43:00 - [2] Originally by: Leto Twin Wasn't this posted a few days ago? Yeah, it was. There was an unfortunate censorship incident and an alliance change since then. I have a little problem with people telling me what I can and cannot say.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Drusus Rensus or are they considered to be subservient to Red Yup. Interesting. How do yo decide that? Is it based on who has ultimate control of the outposts, or just your gut feeling, or does GoonSwarm tell you directly that they answer to Red, or what?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Drusus Rensus Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Drusus Rensus or are they considered to be subservient to Red Yup. Interesting. How do yo decide that? Is it based on who has ultimate control of the outposts, or just your gut feeling, or does GoonSwarm tell you directly that they answer to Red, or what? They requested their space to be marked as Ra space. I guess that says it all. Question answered. Thanks Joshua.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 19:02:00 - [5] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 18:59:27 Isn't it starting to look like there needs to be a third-tier form of organization in the game? Federation, or faction, or coalition, or axis, or something? Right now it looks like there are more or less three of these in the game, with a few "odd men out". Drusus
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 19:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 19:46:00 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: DB Preacher Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. For the moment, we are leaving syndicate but we will continue to monitor the GoonSwarm and should we feel that they have done anything of note in the game, we will destroy it. I am sure that some of those remaining GoonSwarm members will be rejoicing at having survived this long against us but I can only ask you were you have been recently. Keep watching Goons, because we will. We will be back, with gangs, with fleets, with BoB. We command your game now. As long as you remain in GoonSwarm, we make you play our way and nothing you say will really convince yourself that this isn't true. Interesting quote. I guess Scalding Pass doesn't qualify as anything. Which means that whomever they kicked out of there didn't lose anything. That must be a comforting thought for the former residents.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 20:24:00 - [7] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 20:21:40 Originally by: DB Preacher /me chuckles Show me once they have done something of note in the game and we'll consider doing something about it ;) dbp Well, speaking as someone who just got the boot out of immensea by them and their friends, I'd say that they're doing something of note. I know that you weren't in any of those fights, but TCF and Red have said themselves that GoonSwarm is a big part of the reason for their successes over KOS, V, Maelstrom, et. al. so far, and, don't look now, but if things keep progressing like they are, they and their friends look poised to take over the entire south-eastern part of the map. From your lofty perch, maybe that still isn't anything of note, but man, from where I'm sitting, it sure looks like "something of note" to me. Drusus
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 21:04:00 - [8] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 21:02:49 Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 21:01:21 The reason for the thread was as stated. Just looking at the (in game) map, it looks like they "own" a region. I was just wondering whether they were really going to "own" that region, or whether they were just considered a (your words) "meatshield" as you have Fix and Xeles. Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/01/2007 20:47:48 So yes, Goons and their friends may have destroyed you but forgive me for not thinking that it was something significant in eve. Oh. Forgiven gladly. I would have been suprised if you thought that anything that anyone else did in Eve has much significance. It would be out of character for you. By that standard, I guess you're off the hook, and Goon can do pretty much as they please. So, when you said they wouldn't be allowed to build up in 0.0 "at all" you really meant to the point that they would pose a challenge to you? And when you said that you would dictate their game from then on, you really meant that they wouldn't be allowed to defeat you? I guess there's an obvious logic to that. Quote: If they were to destroy LV, then maybe I'd personally start to be interested. dbp Can I... um... quote you on that later?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 21:23:00 - [9] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 21:20:12 Originally by: DB Preacher Read, Understand, Dissapear into 1.0 and enjoy your new alliance without worrying about such things because they were obviously too much for you and your alliance. Well, I'm trying to read and understand. On the one hand you're saying you don't speak for BoB, on the other hand it sure looked like you were saying what BoB was going to do. I try anyway to be pretty careful about running my mouth about what my alliance is going to do. Maybe yours works differently. Thanks for the well wishes with my new alliance. I will take your advice (gladly) and leave the mess in the south to you and yours. Drusus
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:18:00 - [10] Quote: I also think that asking for favors "Show as alliance X" is also not good and that the map should be reflected on a "as-is" basis. Now, this isn't quite fair. There is plenty of precident for an alliance claiming "sovereignty" per the game mechanics but still conceeding that the space really "belongs" to someone else. How this got to be standard practice, I don't know, but I don't think there's any disputing that it is standard practice these days. If GoonSwarm really does consider Scalding Pass to be RA space, and not their own, there is nothing wrong with them requesting that that be reflected on the map IMO. I was just wondering whether their intention was to reassert themselves as a "first tier" region holding alliance, or whether they were content to be "under" RA as Fix, Xeles, and many others live in space claimed by a "first tier" alliance under whatever arrangement.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:33:00 - [11] Originally by: DB Preacher Do you not understand the difference between someone saying "I personally" and "BoB"? If you don't then please don't quote my comments back to me in future because you will more than likely have misunderstand them in the first place, Cheers, dbp I understand English pretty well DBP. Where do you find "in my opinion" in: Quote: For the moment, we are leaving syndicate but we will continue to monitor the GoonSwarm and should we feel that they have done anything of note in the game, we will destroy it. I am sure that some of those remaining GoonSwarm members will be rejoicing at having survived this long against us but I can only ask you were you have been recently. Keep watching Goons, because we will. We will be back, with gangs, with fleets, with BoB. We command your game now. As long as you remain in GoonSwarm, we make you play our way and nothing you say will really convince yourself that this isn't true. Maybe I'm confused, but I don't see it. Were you using the royal "We" (meaning you) like the Queen does? Look. I may not have been playing this game for as long as you have, and so I can't fit a uber leet t-2 watchamathingie, but I'm not dumb, and I can parse a sentence or two in English. How about you show a little character, and just admit that maybe your alligator mouth wrote a check that you behind can't cash. Nothing wrong with that. We've all been guilty once in a while. Or not. Frankly, it's not all that important to me. I didn't bring BoB into this thread, nor was I really interested in how even this part of the universe revolves around BoB. I was more interested in what was going on with GoonSwarm, since it seemed like people had written them off as a power. Have a nice day.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 22:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Rebellion So, who do you guys think BoB should attack now? I was thinking you should probably conquer Empire. Of course, you could let the Gallante, Caldari, Amar, etc. continue to claim sovereignty, but everyone would know that it was really your space. How cool is that?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 24/01/2007 23:01:16 Originally by: Rebellion Oh, stop being cute. If the first post was changed to say "Pure demands that BoB attack the goons or we will call them pansies straight to their face without bothering to create ambiguous threads with transparent innuendos that we can't be forthright about", it would save this thread a lot of superfluous coyness. I tried that, but the box for the title was too short. Here's your hat. edit: Since someone is trying to pull my alliance into this at this point, I should point out that nowhere in this thread have I claimed to be speaking for my alliance, or making any statements about what my alliance will do, did do, or would like anyone else to do. My words are my own, and mine alone.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Eiro You've misunderstood. DBP never claimed he does not speak for BoB - evidence of which you can read all over this forum ad nauseum - he claimed that he doesn't have a hand in directing BoB. There's a big difference between a messenger and a director. I quote again for your convenience: Yep, you're right. I inferred it from what he said. Maybe he was delivering the official BoB message back when, and now keeping Goon under their thumb isn't as feasible as they were boasting so they have to come up with all this tortured logic about how them holding an entire region doesn't qualify as "building up in 0.0 at all". Or, maybe it was just DBP's opinion about what BoB would do. Don't know. Don't really care. As DBP said my question was answered a long time ago. Threads are kind of like sea-monkeys around here. If you add a little water, they turn into BoB threads and start swimming around on their own. Drusus
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Metal Dude Unfortunately that's not how it works in EVE. If your member is going to talk on these forums, then your alliance better be prepared to back up those words in game, because quite frankly, most targets get picked on the forums by most people. If there's a corp and alliance label under the portrait in CAOD portion of these forums, the portrait represent that corporation and alliance. Maybe someone should explained that to your members before thereÆs a blob your local. Well, now that's just about childish, now isn't it? What exactly have I said here that you think my alliance is supposed to back up? Did I say somewhere that Pure is going to come down out of the north and stampede your women and *****your cattle or something? Sooooo.... there's going to be a blob in local because.... what? I asked a question that got a response from the community that you didn't happen to like? You know what? If that's "how it works in Eve", maybe I'll go play a game with a more mature player base. WoW maybe. Or maybe Hello Kitty Island Adventure. Here's how it works in the world beyond the third grade. People sometimes engage in conversations that don't result in someone resorting to pushing someone else down and taking their milk money. You want to make bellicose statements toward my alliance leadership because I start a thread that has absolutely nothing at all to do with my alliance's political alignment, or plans, or intentions toward you, or anything of the like to try to bully them into shutting me up? Grow up, pal. I'd gladly mine veldspar in Empire forever more before I stand still for that kind of crap. Drusus
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.25 02:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Faith Black Edited by: Faith Black on 25/01/2007 01:50:25 Agree. BoB isn't stupid and they see this 'But you said Goonfleet won't control space anymore' of some bob haters just as smack, which it is and they surely won't let it dictate their plans. You know, it's funny, but I wasn't really interested in BoB's plans at all when I posted this. I was interested in what GoonFleet was doing, becuase it looks like they're doing well for themselves. I don't think I was playing the game or reading these boards when DBP made that statement, and I'm not a BoB hater either. In fact, I don't think I've ever even been in the same system with a member of BoB. I have fought against GOON/RA/TCF, so I was really more interested in what's going on over there than anything that BoB did or didn't say. I guess I should have seen it coming. Is there some subject you can raise here that doesn't involve BoB somehow?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.25 02:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 25/01/2007 02:47:38 Originally by: Faith Black BoB's next target ? So this is going to turn into a Bob's next target thread no matter what, I guess. OK, here's a prediction. BoB is going to bide their time and wait for RA/Goon/TCF to take out LV. Saves them the trouble, and spreads RA/Goon/TCF a little thinner. Until this happens, don't look for BoB to do much except maybe some day raids to keep from getting bored. After LV falls (if they do), it will really depend on how much more momentum the RA/Goon/TCF snowball has accumulated. They're already pushing 10,000 players if you count in everyone who has fought with them. If it looks like they could steamroll BoB by the time LV goes, I'd look for BoB to say that the game has grown boring and holds no more challenge and disband, leaving their residents and renters to fend for themselves. If it looks this group is falling apart, or could be picked apart, BoB will probably take a shot at it. I don't see them letting themselves be overrun and end up at the "Alamo" in Fountain docked in an NPC station. That's not the way they want to go out of this game. Drusus OK, once again, what I just said is my opinion, and my opinion alone. It doesn't reflect the position, policy, or political alignment of my corporation or my alliance. If it cheezes you off, come pod me in my mining barge if you feel you must.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.25 04:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 25/01/2007 04:29:03 Nevermind. Sorry folks, it's hard not to sink to the lowest common demoninator sometimes. I can do better than that.

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